New Offer: Devin Kirby

[natetheskate]

Nice to see us get some good pub. Interesting is the comment about LU targeting the right recruits. I was looking at Verbal Commits and noticed that it appeared that no one in the Valley was recruiting a 3 or 4 star player, Is the assumption that we just wont get these kids so it is a waste of time? It just seems to me with LU just slipping into the top 100 in the US News and WOrld Report and winning the CBI that maybe now is the time to up who we go after.

[JCT]

I looked up who is going after Bogan's James Jones, and learned a lot. First, DePaul is going after him, but what's more shocking is they have issued offers to no less than 15 (!!!) shooting guards, including two others we've offered: Simeon's Zach Norvell, and Kenwood's Zion Morgan. Bradley has also offered that same trio, but they've already received verbal from a downstate shooting guard.

Second, we've also apparently offered Crisshawn Clark, a Juco kid from Ohio who's playing at Cañada College in Redwood City, CA (between San Francisco and San Jose). They're a science/math-oriented 2 year college (I went to high school for a year a few miles away) with superior academics that has had a few sports stars (Moises Alou, Harold Reynolds) go through their program. Cal, St. Mary's, Wichita State, West Virginia, Pitt, and some other big names have been looking at him but not offered.

Third, as of today we've offered to 5'8" point guard Evan Gilyard at Simeon, who is in the class of '17.

The early signing period is November 11-18 (isn't that later than past years?), but the latest fashion among players is to make a "dramatic" verbal weeks before.

[ahunte1]

I was looking at Verbal Commits and noticed that it appeared that no one in the Valley was recruiting a 3 or 4 star player...

There are actually quite a few. Some notables include...

Rivals 4**** Clayton Custer (LUC); 3*** Ben Richardson (LUC), Kale Abramson (Drake), Anthony Beane (SIU), Jesperson (UNI), Hawkins (ILSt)

And also like half of Wichita's roster... VanVleet (4), Grady (3), Frankamp (4), Brown (3), Kelly (3), McDuffie (3), Shamet (4)

[natetheskate]

Not current players on rosters but who people are presently recruiting

[swellafelon]

Rivals lists 34 players that are/were being recruited by Missouri Valley teams for 2016 who were rated 3 Stars. Many committed elsewhere:





1. F
Jeriah Horne
Kansas City, Missouri
Barstow
6'6" 220 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list



2. G
Devonte Green
Long Island, NY, New Hampshire
Brewster Academy
6'1" 165 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list






3. F
Robert Baker
Marietta, Georgia
The Walker School
6'8" 180 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Harvard

4. G
C.J. Walker
Indianapolis, Indiana
Arsenal Technical
6'0" 180 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Florida State

5. F
Sam Hauser
Stevens Point, Wisconsin
Stevens Point
6'7" 210 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Marquette

6. G
Jordan Bohannon
Marion, Iowa
Linn Mar Community School
6'0" 170 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Iowa

7. F
Michael Hurt
Rochester, Minnesota
John Marshall
6'6" 185 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Minnesota

8. F
Reed Nikko
Maple Grove, Minnesota
Maple Grove
6'9" 210 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list

















9. F
Brachen Hazen
Columbia City, Indiana
Columbia City
6'7" 190 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
UCF

10. G
Justice Kithcart
Lynchburg, Virginia
Virginia Episcopal
6'2" 170 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Pittsburgh

11. F
Travis Atson
Fitchburg, Massachusetts
Notre Dame
6'6" 195 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Tulsa

12. C
Mitchell Smith
Van Buren, Arkansas
Van Buren
6'10" 195 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Missouri

13. G
Lawson Korita
Little Rock, Arkansas
Pulaski Academy
6'5" 185 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Tulsa

14. G
Te'Jon Lucas
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Milwaukee Washington
5'11" 160 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Illinois

15. G
C.J. Keyser
Wolfeboro, New Hampshire
Brewster Academy
6'4" 180 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list






















16. G
Braxton Beverly
Chatham, Virginia
Hargrave Military Academy
5'10" 165 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Miami (OH)

17. F
Sagaba Konate
Hermitage, Pennsylvania
Kennedy Catholic
6'8" 220 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list












18. G
Jeff Dowtin
Washington, District of Columbia
St. John's College High
6'3" 180 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list





19. G
Armoni Brooks
Round Rock, Texas
McNeil
6'4" 180 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Houston

20. F
Ryan Kriener
Spirit Lake, Iowa
Spirit Lake
6'9" 240 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Iowa

21. G
Devon Daniels
Napa, California
Prolific Prep
6'5" 180 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list














22. F
Cordell Pemsl
Dubuque, Iowa
Wahlert
6'8" 235 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Iowa

23. G
Donovan Jackson
Council Bluffs, Iowa
Iowa Western C.C.
6'1" N/A N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Iowa State

24. G
Jakolby Long
Mustang, Oklahoma
Mustang
6'4" 200 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list





















25. G
Frankie Hughes
Garfield Heights, Ohio
Garfield Heights
6'3" 170 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list






















26. F
Raquan Wilkins
Atlanta, Georgia
Westlake
6'5" 180 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list








27. G
Reginald Todd
Mobile, Alabama
Blount
6'4" 180 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
New Mexico State

28. F
Adrio Bailey
Campti, Louisiana
Lakeview Jr/Sr
6'7" 210 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list











29. F
Nolan Taylor
Keller, Texas
Keller
6'7" 230 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list




















30. C
Koch Bar
Orlando, Florida
West Oaks Academy
6'9" 210 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Bradley

31. G
Roosevelt Smart
Bel Aire, Kansas
Sunrise Christian Academy
6'1" 170 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list













32. G
Micah Bradford
Bradley, Illinois
Bourbonnais
6'0" 150 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
list










33. G
Juwan McCloud
Germantown, Wisconsin
Germantown
5'10" 145 N/A
3 stars
N/A N/A
Northern Iowa

34. F
Derrick Walker

[swellafelon]

Rivals lists 15 Four Star prospects with Missouri Valley team suitors:

F
Xavier Sneed
Florissant, Missouri
Hazelwood Central
6'5" 180 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
list















G
DeJon Jarreau
New Orleans, Louisiana
McDonogh 35
6'5" 180 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
list
























F
Jordan Bruner
Columbia, South Carolina
Spring Valley
6'9" 210 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
list



















G
Tony Carr
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Roman Catholic
6'5" 185 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
Penn State

F
Tyler Cook
St. Louis, Missouri
Chaminade
6'8" 240 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
Iowa

F
Isaiah Roby
Dixon, Illinois
Dixon
6'8" 203 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
Nebraska

G
Eric Hester
Oldsmar, Florida
Oldsmar Christian
6'3" 175 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
Florida

F
Matthew Moyer
Columbus, Ohio
Lincoln
6'7" 190 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
Syracuse

G
Zach Norvell
Chicago, Illinois
Simeon
6'6" 185 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
list


















G
Deshawn Corprew
Winston Salem, North Carolina
Quality Education Academy
6'5" 190 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
Arkansas-Little Rock

C
Barret Benson
Willowbrook, Illinois
Hinsdale South
6'9" 245 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
Northwestern

G
Kyle Guy
Indianapolis, Indiana
Lawrence Central
6'2" 165 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
Virginia

G
Trent Forrest
Chipley, Florida
Chipley
6'4" 190 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
Florida State

F
Juwan Durham
Tampa, Florida
Tampa Prep
6'9" 200 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
Connecticut

F
Tony Bradley
Bartow, Florida
Bartow
6'10" 235 N/A
4 stars
N/A N/A
North Carolina




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[wufan]

Not current players on rosters but who people are presently recruiting

WSU just signed 3* guard CJ Keyser. CJ was listed as a 4* guard by ESPN and promptly dropped to 3 the day they updated his profile with the commitment. He will be attending Brewster Academy for a prep year, but last year he attended Sunrise Christian Academy.

[natetheskate]

Swella some good research but I think the question is still relevant. On Verbal Commits...Out of the last 35 commits or offers there are tw0 3stars (LUs Custer is one of them) and out of the 17 offers listed for LU there is Zach NOrell who is a 4 star.. So the predominate offers across the COnference are 2 stars. I guess my point is ,,,,,,is LU in a position to start raising the bar on who they recruit. The University just made it into the US NEWs and World Report top 100 academic universities........we have won the CBI........ relatively new facilities,,,,,,,,,better non-con schedule etc.

[JCT]

Swella some good research but I think the question is still relevant. On Verbal Commits...Out of the last 35 commits or offers there are tw0 3stars (LUs Custer is one of them) and out of the 17 offers listed for LU there is Zach NOrell who is a 4 star.. So the predominate offers across the COnference are 2 stars. I guess my point is ,,,,,,is LU in a position to start raising the bar on who they recruit. The University just made it into the US NEWs and World Report top 100 academic universities........we have won the CBI........ relatively new facilities,,,,,,,,,better non-con schedule etc.

There are a lot of players... a LOT of great players, who are considered 2-star recruits. WSU's Ron Baker, Milton Doyle, ISU's Reggie Lynch, Evansville's Ballentine and Mockevicius, and Indiana State's Jake Odum were all so-called two star recruits. Last year's A-10 player of the year, Davidson's Tyler Kalinoski, was a two star recruit. Likewise, there are a lot of 3+ star recruits that go nowhere. Sometimes just the fact that a BCS conference team is interested in a player is enough to make them a 3 star recruit, which shows the circular logic involved.

[swellafelon]

Sometimes just the fact that a BCS conference team is interested in a player is enough to make them a 3 star recruit, which shows the circular logic involved.

That is an excellent point. Often when a recruit commits to a BCS team, he gets an additional star. I'm pretty sure that's what happened with Barrett Benson, a local kid we were recruiting before he committed to Northwestern. He went from three to four stars soon after he committed.